Last time I thought about this, I ended up all in questions and confusions. This does happen in most of the other topics too, but this time I had something deep up my mind, the result being, me still thinking about it, and these afterthoughts I have had had.
The last question I asked myself, in the post was should we talk about it, I have for years and years believed, no, we should not. There are things meant to be private and this topped the list. I think one of the changes I went through, changed this as well, I felt there is nothing to be ashamed in telling people what you think, I know what should be my limitation, and what I should be telling people, and this did not find a place in the list anymore.
People who visit my blog thought otherwise I guess, not many wanted to say what they feel about this, I know the mental block and I totally respect that. I would just like to remind, that if identity is the issue here, then we do allow anonymous comments, even if you don’t want to say, just think about the topic, I am sure you will surprise yourself with a thought or two.
The relationship between body and soul in intriguing, as much you think about the topic, you tend to discover newer aspects about this relationship. I started with a theory, a very idealistic one, body being a slave of the soul. I have had so many days, when I am down with a bad fever, or even a severe cold with nose blocks, still have concentrated like never before on my work, or something as silly as an episode of my favorite TV show, or even a sporting event. My will power, or my mind or the soul, whatever you want to call it it, had been such a powerful master that my body had to become its slave. There has been many a days when your body wanted something very much like rest due to tiredness and you just dismiss its request, it has to do what your mind wants it to do. I am sure you can relate the same to other bodily needs. I might be with no experience in this matter, but I can bet that there would have been days when your body was in no mood for it, but the emotions ran so strong that, your body ended being a slave for it. A great gesture by your mate, a deep moment between the two, a mere act of understanding or the ever illusionary love, anything might have slaved your body, in dire situations to respond to your mind.
Just this idealistic thought about the relationship, and my mind begins to wonder, how converse of this is as much true. There have been days when I have not be able to concentrate even a bit on what I am doing, because of a tiny prick in my feet, or a little nail that has come out, or even as simple as bad smell my nose is picking up. I would be honest to admit, cases when an attractive female who passes by has made me lose concentration, now in most cases I do have weird rules of attraction, like what she says, what she thinks and whats her opinion, but then there have been occasions where it is none of those, its just the sight, the look and body, body does find a natural attraction to the other. How cheap it might sound, but it is true and lust I think is as natural as love. So is not my mind slave of my body here?, aren’t we ignoring the logic in our mind, our principles in life, and even our thought process, for something as trivial as bodily lust?.
So I decide, they must be having a discrete relationship, totally disjoint from one another. No one is slave of the other, each work on their own. They just co exist. Like the time someone experiences acute pain in their stomach, for a second all they can think is the body and its pain, just a minute later, you tend to worry about what happened to the score in the game last night. At a point when you know that you have a body and it has its needs and problems, you just accept its existence, and get on with your life. Let the body take care of itself, and the soul take care of itself. It reminds me of a scene from the movie The Notebook, where the lead actor, as he waits for his love to come back just spends his nights with a widow, knowing purely it is his body which she is servicing not his mind. He wants the both to coexist with his love, without the two getting in way of the other. Personally I feel this is most difficult to achieve, and still I have a lot of doubt if this is indeed correct. But none the less, this still is a relationship between the two.
So If I don’t want them to be that way, the only left relationship is when both the mind and the body both are masters, both have their interests vested, they both want the same thing, body
aiding the mind, and the mind taking care of the body. This sounds so ideal right?, I mean no separate existence for any one of them. As ideal it may sound, I think it’s not. There is something missing in this too, say you are throughly depressed due to something that happened at work, or may be suffered a big loss, your mind is all over the place, may be at this point, you need something totally disconnected from your mind to give you a breather, something which gives you immense pleasure and takes your mind away from worldly matters, and makes you feel a little out of world, isn’t this where a body could help?
Moving on to the next question, do men and women think differently about this, I liked the way Jason said, he questions back, “don’t two women think differently?”. Exactly this is such a personal thought, and feelings can vary from individual. I think the myth that men are for body and women are for soul, was totally busted with the more I read. The more I know the world I feel, its just about what gives you pleasure, some find immense pleasure in following their soul, and if body becomes a part of it so be it, some on the other hand, find immense pleasure in listening to their body, and if soul does not want it, so let it be. And some find immense pleasure in challenges, so if body throws a big challenge to them, curbing the body gives them immense pleasure, on the other hand, if people are sick of the logic, and they don’t want it to dictate what they enjoy, they find immense pleasure in being rebel.
It just keeps me on and on, I cant seem to decide what my philosophy is in this regard.
Guys do let me know what you think.
You can read the rest of the series here “Body or Soul” or Pure Pursuits
Jack Sparrow Said:
on September 21, 2007 at 6:59 am
First off, you’ve picked a very difficult topic. I read your previous post (‘My body’s soul!’ or “My soul’s body!’), and it got me thinking. Why are men always considered to be “sexual maniacs” ? Well, in a lot of ways I think men do want it more. In fact, I don’t doubt it for a second.
But to think that a guy only associates sex with physical pleasure is incorrect. It is a feeling of being complete, something one cannot achieve on one’s own – and this applies to both men and women. The two are very delicately intertwined; however, we cannot discuss one as freely as the other. Somehow, we’ve been brought up to believe that denial of physical pleasure is the right thing to do. Emotional satisfaction on the other hand is more important, and must be taken care of at all costs.
It is hard to figure this one out. I’ve even tried to put myself in the shoes of the opposite sex, to try and understand their perspective. Yes, they need to know that sex means something. Yes, they need to know that they’re not just being used for their bodies, and that men are interested in their minds. Maybe that explains cuddling afterwards ? Possibly. I cannot be sure. But all this applies to men too.
Sometimes I’ve heard people say that men just have this “need” for sex. Is it a physical need ? Sure, but it is also a very emotional need. Imagine a guy who has had to curb his “need” for a long time. After a while, it will surely get to him. And it will show, in some form of loneliness or depression. Is that not emotion ? Is the physical pleasure he derives through his body not an emotion ? Hell, isn’t any kind of pleasure an emotion ?
I guess, as you rightly stated, how a person derives pleasure varies according to his or her mentality. It is highly personal, and everybody just has to follow their own heads and hearts in this matter. In the end, I don’t think there is one correct philosophy. All that matters is that people make every effort to understand each other so that no need, whether of the mind or the body, is left unfulfilled.
Rambler Said:
on September 23, 2007 at 7:48 am
Jack, it has been a difficult topic for me, and hence thought of this forum where others could write as well.
I absolutely disagree with you,IMO, I dont think its men who want it more, its just that being a man and and men being more open about it you get a feeling.
guess just different point of views,please dont think that I am arguing with you, but this what I set out to do, discuss.
I have never considered cuddling as a mental activity, when you really like someone, you are always in each other minds, not just after the act. and act being a point of overflow of the extreme emotions.
Your mind is always in the foreplay, each word you say kind of instigates the other mind.
and again this is very personal, people do derive pleasure out of many things, may be in my case its just that it may need lot more than just sex.
I just answered few questions on this blog, may be you read them and tell me your opinion on them, just held of replying to this comment till then.
Jack Sparrow Said:
on September 24, 2007 at 6:08 am
Rambler, you make a really good point. And don’t worry, I know you’re not arguing
I’m happy to have a healthy discussion ! It is something that I’m trying to understand too.
I agree with you that it is a misconception that “men want it more”. You’re right – men are more open about it and hence are assumed to want it more. But the misconception still stands. I hope my understanding of what you say is correct.
Something else that I thought of, and I guess this also resonates with what you were talking about, is that both men and women need to be stimulated intellectually. That’s where any real connection is first made. Let me clarify that I’m not talking about something that will end in a physical relationship. That is completely irrelevant. For two people to be interested in knowing each other, there needs to be some sort of mental connection between them and that can only be built through some sort of communication or conversation. I guess this is where, as you aptly said, the soul must be satisfied.
Rambler Said:
on September 24, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Jack, its great to see you keep this discussion going, I had hoped many more discussions like this when I thought of this series, anyways good to see you discussing this. Thanks a lot for doing this.
You know what you might be surprised by this, talk to whoever you are close to in the opposite gender, even though they know and feel men want it more, they also have a clue it is not completely true, and somewhere they also have this feeling that even women want it as much as men. May be misconception is not just with women but men too, about women.
yes you are right, people do get stimulated intellectually, and in most cases even physically, lust is a great stimulant, but stimulants just ignite the sparks, but we need to understand are not stimulants but sustainers. Don’t you think so.
So for whatever reason people get attracted, for the attraction to last and grow over years one needs to really connect, not just physically but a lot mentally, emotionally, go through things together.
I know I am generalizing this a lot, and thats not correct, may be this is only my opinion, and with inexperience, I cant claim a single successful story with these assumptions. but thats my opinion
, h